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I should be in bed right now, but I had a thought. Those are quite annoying when it comes to wanting to sleep, but oh well.

I follow a comic where one particular character has gained a fairly large fanbase and a large amount of sympathy, but the creator did not intend for this and has made this abundantly clear. He says that the character lost all of her redeeming traits over time and that she wasn't supposed to be sympathetic, and he calls out the people who treat her sympathetically. Recently he updated the first chapter she appears in and made her negative traits come out much more obviously, and to me it just affirmed what I thought of the character from the start, mainly that she's an immature, whiny bitch who pushed away anyone who might have helped her and pretty much got what was coming to her.

But here's the thing: The people who like the character are angry that he did this, and seem to think that he doesn't know his own character and what she's "really" like. This strikes me as very odd and very entitled because he created the damn character and just because what he writes doesn't match up with someone's personal version of who she is doesn't mean that he's wrong.

I've been thinking about my own antagonist, and if people do sympathize with them I will be horrified because it will honestly be missing the point of who this person is and why they do what they do, so I can understand why this author reacted the way he did to people taking his character and casting her in a light he didn't intend. I know back when Harry Potter was being published there was (and still is) a large subset of people who idolize characters like Draco Malfoy who, let's be honest, are pricks or worse, and JK Rowling had pretty much the same reaction of "WTF is wrong with you people?!"

So my question is this: What "rights" does a creator have over their character, and on the flipside, what do the fans have, if anything, and do they have the right to say that the author's interpretation is less valid than their own? That's not to say that you can't tell someone that they did not write a character well or consistently, it's more whether the fans have the right to say that they know the "real" version as opposed to the person who created them.

Date: 2009-12-01 06:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's okay, it's your stuff.

And, I'm the first to realize how annoying Fans Who Refuse To Get The Most Obvious Stuff are, but that's really part of the price when writing gets out there. I'm also a strong believer in the author is dead, as well.

Date: 2009-12-01 06:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athenaltena.livejournal.com
What's "the author is dead"? I don't think I've heard that term before.

Date: 2009-12-01 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Basically, as I've read it, authorial intent doesn't matter. I mean, it does in some circumstances. If we're talking unfinished stuff and the author has said, say, a pairing is going to happen directly, I think it's pretty stupid to debate on what will happen (not the same as debating if it's good).

And, of course, I enjoy hearing what writers say about their own work. And authorial intent can being interesting discussions sometimes. But basically, I think the intent has, as a whole, little meaning.

I mean who the fuck can say for sure what Homer was saying, or Shakespeare? They're dead. But there's still merit in discussing their stories.

Date: 2009-12-01 06:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athenaltena.livejournal.com
I think I get it, and I think the internet has lead to some blurring of that line (though Louisa May Alcott got crap for not pairing up Jo with the person some people wanted her to, so it's not like it's a new thing).

I can see where the idea of treating a story as a whole story comes from too, especially since many things end up being unintentionally on the writer's part. I didn't intend to write about the War on Terror, but it snuck in there without me realizing it and now I've just decided to go with it.

Date: 2009-12-01 06:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
lols there is an interesting history on that. I'd suggest looking up the ship manifesto for them.

Date: 2009-12-01 06:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athenaltena.livejournal.com
The Jo thing? I know the abridged version of it, but it sounds like quite the story.

And of course pairings and ships are a whole 'nother realm of insanity when it comes to fans, so I'm not even going to touch that. ^^;

Date: 2009-12-01 06:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Basically she didn't want any ship at all for Jo. Fans kept insisiting that she should and it frustrated her because she wanted people to be into Jo as a person not as a wifefigure.

Date: 2009-12-02 08:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aureantes.livejournal.com
Hmm...yeah, her winding up in Fritz's arms always did strike me as a bit shoehorned/wrong for her, come to think of it. I was okay with Laurie and Amy getting together, because of their respective 'prettiness', and never really wanted Jo to get married either, I suppose, but I think there'd be real possibilities in an alternative Jo/Laurie 'ship where she's decidedly the dominant (as she clearly was) and marriage isn't even an issue.

Hmm....revolutionary Victorian-era BDSM, anyone...?



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